Getting organised - a review of online docs and CRM systems - is anything better than Highrise? (Yes)
Imagine you are like me. You find people fascinating, media interesting and computers useful. Perhaps you are, as I've been described, "an avid indoorsman." But projects and organising can be a challenge, especially when practical DIY-type work is involved. As far as I'm concerned, existing picture hooks add to the value of a house.
Now imagine that someone gives you a job which includes looking after a massive public building which is nearly 1000 years old and crumbling in parts, as well as helping to look after the 200+ people who use this building on a regular basis. As the new church warden, that's my job. Project!
Thankfully, among all those people, no-one is expecting me to become Handy Andy, while there are plenty of people with skills and the desire to get involved. Also, my colleague church warden is a surveyor and extremely handy, and the outgoing warden knows the people, building and systems from over 40 years of being hands on. The only problem is that these guys did things differently and organised differently from me. Most of the how-to knowledge is in their heads and the skills are in their hands, and these aren't trivial to transfer, especially to people who are different and not like-for-like apprentices. To add to the change challenge, we have a brand new priest-in-charge who doesn't yet know people or how things get done, and would probably like to know a bit about how things have been going as he sets a new course for where we go next.
So how do we get the jobs done, building to-dos planned, the relationships growing, the people involved, and various bits of practical knowledge passed along towards the next generation of church members and leaders? We know church is God's kingdom, not our project, and prayer is definitely the starting point. One answer to that prayer has been the provision of systems which help us get stuff done and grow relationships together. I'm going to describe some of what I have used and reviewed, and hopefully it might help if you have any of the same questions.
Projects or people first?
This is the vital starting point. Most project management tools are about the efficient use of resources. You start off defining what needs to get done, then the resources available to get the stuff done (this is where people come in, as well as time and physical assets), and so you fit the people around the projects.
For us, people are the foundation. Those who belong to our community may or may not be involved in any of our projects, but we want to get to know them better and involve people when they want to be involved. When I say "our community" that has very fuzzy boundaries too - we're all about loving our neighbour, and Jesus enlarges anyone's definition of that. We enjoy relationships with churchgoers, local residents and businesses, work colleagues, suppliers, friends and families, people we support in mission locally and overseas, people who read our website and listen to our online talks, and others who get in touch for all kinds of reasons.
Where to put the basic data?
As a starting point we need people's names, numbers and addresses. Like many organisations, we keep this in a database or spreadsheet on an office computer, where it can't be accessed it without the administrator. Various trusted people might have copies or printouts at home, but when something needs to be changed, these copies go out of date. If different people put different changes into different copies, getting back in sync with one up to date document can be a major headache. This way of working is BROKEN and needs fixing.
I've worked with a client who insisted on doing things the hard way. They were familiar with Microsoft Access, and wouldn't be persuaded away from it even though they needed others to share the data online. The system they needed was Microsoft Sharepoint. This can be used to keep Office documents in sync with multiple users and, if you're not a mega-corporation, the cheapest way to use it is something like the £15 per month Microsoft Sharepoint service from 1and1. That buys 1GB of storage space for up to 50 users to share, as well as tools which help structure what goes where, who has access to what, etc. It's not a bad package if you absolutely, definitely must use Office.
But there are better and cheaper alternatives for making and sharing documents. I'm trying to wean myself and others away from Office and onto Google Documents as much as possible. These are can seem a bit more basic than your latest Office 2010 whizzyware, but it tends to give me what I need - it's fast, it autosaves all the time (and lets me go back to previous versions), it can be shared securely with the people who need it and edited by them if they have permission. Everyone is always seeing the up to date document, and it can even be edited by more than one person at a time. Contact details and lots more go nicely into a spreadsheet. Ideas and other things fit into documents and presentations nicely. You can even do some decent drawings - this demo is silly but you'll get the idea.
It didn't take long to test and reject Microsoft's answer to this, by the way. In the first 20 minutes of working with Office Web Apps I found their system lost my data from a test document, gave me unhelpful random error messages when trying to use the prominent "Open In Word" facility (I assumed this might be because it didn't like Chrome, but with IE9 the best I could get was "The converter failed to save the file"), and then I discovered that the final document another reader might see can look completely different from the document I edited in a browser. That takes away the comfortable feeling you get from it looking a lot like Word - avoid, avoid, avoid.
Do you need more than the basics?
There is a bit more to do than simply build a list of contacts. We are growing relationships and doing stuff. We need to keep track of what we've talked about doing when. We want to be open to new people sharing their interests and details with us, which they might be able to do online. At any point we might want to get in touch with groups of people with common interests or needs, and follow what happens with individuals as things develop. We certainly need to keep projects and to-do lists under control and share responsibilities where possible. Ideally the church management wants to do all of this as a team without too much training or admin time, and without too many unconnected documents floating around.
The value of being able to do this well in a business means that lots of developers have attempted to solve the problem with what has become known as Customer Relationship Management (CRM) systems. Yes, we need to reframe that idea for a church where we don't have customers and a sales pipeline, but I have found lots of CRM systems potentially useful for us.
Here's the meat: what I've considered and why we're going with one particular one for now. Our needs are:
- a system which can make thousands of contacts' details easy to store and access securely on a PC, iPhone or Android and, ideally, available for reference when any of those devices are not internet-connected (especially important for a mobile device);
- a flexible data scheme for each person's info so that we can keep track of some specific things like ministry roles and gifts in a structured, promptable, searchable, standardised way (ie. not just with a big free-form text box) - we're thinking tags and custom fields here;
- a way to manage basic to-do lists and projects, linked to people in the database - it should be as simple as possible to get a view of who is doing what, not just what needs to be done. Ideally we'd like all our project management to be in the same system, but we need great people management first, and will settle for basic project management for now, adding a more specialised project system later if needed;
- a place to store documents or, ideally, links to Google Documents, related to people and projects;
- a way to attach email correspondence to people's records and, ideally, manage to-dos and projects by email too - for example, if I get an email asking me to do something, I'd like to forward it to the system in a way which not only stores the email but adds an item to my to-do list;
- easy ways to contact groups of people, including established groups (e.g. a ministry team) or ad hoc groups of people, such as people in a particular area or those who have expressed an interest in serving the homeless, for example - we should be able to contact groups by email (where permission is given) or make a ring-around contact sheet with as few button presses as possible. To manage email properly, we should be able to sync with Mailchimp, the best value mailing list manager I've found;
- we can tolerate some stuff for sales people in the structure, but ideally need to rephrase things so it is clear to system users that we are not selling stuff, and we are not cramming people into a totally standardised pipeline (from leads to prospects to customers, etc) although we recognise people do go through different stages in life and relationships, and we want to relate to everyone appropriately, so we can use these sorts of tools in our own way...
- access to the core system for a small number of management users for now (5 or 6) who vary greatly in comfort with IT, so the system should be very easy to use, highly responsive, intuitive and, ideally, attractive. I know that sounds shallow, but people do set their expectations around how things look and are more willing to invest time in making something work if their expectations are high. If it looks and behaves like a boring and complex business megasystem, it will be hard to get buy in from some of the people who need to use the thing if we're going to find it useful. If it looks easy and is fun to use, we have an advantage.
- access to selected basic contact data for a wider group of ministry leaders, so ideally we should be able to sync selectively with something like Google Contacts;
- amazingly good "how-to" and help videos and support, so that we can develop it right, get the keen users productive and satisfied quickly, and at least keep the technophobes on board.
- ability to get all our data out - offline backups of contacts are essential, and we would ideally like to stay with a service provider merely because they are great and we choose to stay, rather than fussing about the hassle of having our data locked into their system. It's a sign of maturity and confidence from a service provider than they will let you walk out with all your data at any time.
This was my starting point for comparison because I've used it before in a church admin context, it's simple and quite powerful, and was the product which made me realise this sort of thing was possible. 170,000 business manage 20 million contacts with it, and it has been continually developed over the last few years.
Good points: there is very little there which doesn't need to be there to do the job I've described. It feels responsive (the big search bar at the top makes live suggestions so quickly, I never need to type in a full name - ideal if I can't remember a surname...), data entry is quick and intuitive. People can be organised by a simple tag system and tags are quickly auto-suggested as someone starts to add one (this is good for helping keep the system standardised and useful). Cases and Deals offer two ways to group activity, correspondence, comments and documents into manageable reference points, and tasks are easy to add and categorise in a basic way. Getting data in using email is superb - forwarding someone's email to a Highrise dropbox files it with the sender's record, and a followup task or filing into a Case can be done at the same time. Getting all the system data out is virtually a one-click process. Mobile apps are plentiful and stable. The interface for programmers is mature and useful enough that Mailchimp and others offer integration with other systems.
Price: attractive for our size of group - 6 users for $24 a month. We're unlikely to go over the 5GB data or 5,000 contact storage limit for now, but an upgrade to $49 a month for 15 users, 15GB data and 20,000 contacts will also be doable when our usage needs have increased over the basic limits. The 37signals Suite at $99 a month for unlimited users, 35GB storage and superb project management tool Basecamp included is also a good option
Bad points: the data scheme for a person is pretty basic. Until a week ago every data field which could be used was fixed by 37signals, but even the custom fields which have just been added come in just one flavour - text boxes. There is no opportunity to have a list of options for a person (e.g. a tickbox or dropdown list to help categorise them), HTML or hyperlinks (e.g. to their LinkedIn profile or a Google Doc). Yes, this can always be put in via tags and notes, but this requires standardisation and training for all the users, which makes the system less than friendly in this respect. The email dropbox also has a limitation in that many of the emails we swap concern several people, but Highrise can only attach an email to one contact. Project management is very limited - Basecamp is the preferred offering from the company for this - but Cases are so limited for projects, you can't even tag them with the status of where you're at. Deals add the ability to flag something as "Pending", "Won" or "Lost", but those are the only options, and you can only have 10 Deals on the basic plan.
Overall: I see Highrise as the standard for online CRM. This means that I think it works, and I'll judge other things relative to it, but I can also imagine better. In my experience, where people have specific needs for existing databases, it doesn't take long before people ask for something quite simple which Highrise can't do. The lack of customisation is a strength for simplicity, but a weakness for usefulness. I have a sneaking feeling it will still score high in terms of usabilty, so it's a backup for us if we can't find a more powerful but still usable option.
Most of the rest of these reviews will be pretty short - I'm simply asking "is it better than Highrise?", if so how, and if it won't work for us, why not?
A newcomer which adds some promising innovative ideas, but isn't yet mature enough for us to build on.
Better than Highrise? Project management is much more fully featured, projects can be organised into milestones and related tasks, and there is an innovative on-screen timer built in which can help track where all the effort is going. Task templates help cut down the setup time - if a related set of tasks needs to be done often (e.g. welcoming a newcomer, following up with a call later), the template will add all the tasks in at once. There's also a useful calendar which is as good as Google's, but integrated with the project and contact systems.
So why won't we use it? As friendly and clean as they look, the workspaces are much more task focused than contact focused. The data scheme for contacts is less fully featured than Highrise and just as inflexible (actually more so, with no custom fields yet). Email dropboxes are planned but not implemented yet. Data export to XML is possible, but it's all or nothing - you can't generate a filtered list of contacts.
Why might you prefer it anyway? If you're looking for a decent project management system with a contact book which is for more than just people working on the projects, this is one of surprisingly few good looking options available. At the rate of development, I expect it will be far more fully featured by the time you read this!
Like my Swiss Army knife, it's packed with features I will rarely use and the cutting edge is a bit blunt.Better than Highrise? Stacks of customisation potential for contact records, definable workflows which help to standardise and track complex processes, webform integration allows new contacts to put their details in on our website, and a stack of tools to help with sales, billing, forecasting, customer support (help desk tickets, etc) and business management.
So why won't we use it? We're not a sales or customer support-with-ticketing business. It's all very enterprise-focused and looks it, and takes a good deal of effort from all involved to learn how to work it properly. Performance was sluggish when I tried it, which took away my hope that customisation could make it super-usable for us.
Why might you prefer it anyway? If it helps your business and your team are up for it, fill your boots. It's really aimed at a different market from Highrise anyway - they have the industry CRM leader Sales Force in their sights, which costs from £45 per user per month for their mid-leven product, and that's their cheapest for any team over 5 users. Zoho gives a much cheaper alternative at $25 per user per month for their top tier edition.
Just when I was about to write off Sales Force for their price, I found their bargain Highrise competitor. Then rejected it.
Better than Highrise? Highly customisable. Built in "chatter" to allow users to share statuses, comments and files in an intuitive Facebook-like way, and functional Google App integration. Email can neatly be done in-browser and tagged with relevant info for filing (but that's a marginal benefit as it ends up hiding other user info you might want to see while writing).
So why won't we use it? Like its enterprise level parent, it has a clear and relentless business focus. It's not that friendly for the more casual or social user. Every contact is expected to be associated with an account, and we're not thinking like that. I can't find a dropbox feature, or many of the low-effort features which make Highrise and the like feel useful without too much training and focus. I had to dig deep to turn tags on. Details like the inclusion of mass mail customisation settings without having the mass mail function, and seeing an A-Z tabbed directory for system users (of which the maximum is 5) generally make this feel like a very cut down version of what was always meant to be more of a large scale enterprise product.
Why might you prefer it anyway? It really is VERY customisable if you're prepared to do the digging and setup. If you have a small team (maximum 5) you might benefit if you like its business focus, and it is related to the big daddy of all business CRM. At £3 per user per month it's a bargain, but if you grow beyond 5 users or tire of feeling like you're missing important bits, you'll need to pay at least £45 per user per month. If that will fit your business plan, this might be a good way to start growing your system first.
Volunteer and event mangement software which can integrate nicely with websites, but it's a bit too specialised for us.
Better than Highrise? If you're in the specific market for volunteer management, it could be. This system is set up to allow people to find you online, register their details with you, and allow you to manage their contributions to events. The event management tools could eclipse your need for Eventbrite and the like too. WIth useful functions like built in mass mail and highly specialised info fields like "Volunteer t-shirt size", it really depends on what you need.
So why won't we use it? We're not quite that specialised around events, and we need something more general purpose for a range of contacts who aren't all volunteers. But we're bearing this and similar systems like Common Ground and Volunteer Spot in mind in case we need to do this sort of thing on a large scale, perhaps with other churches across the city, and we can worry about how to integrate it with our general contact system later.
Why might you prefer it anyway? You have volunteers, events and lots of them.
A very capable and likeable business system. I've recommended it to clients who have loved it.Better than Highrise? Customisable in a very good way. Project milestones and sales pipelines are all trackable in a way which can be configured to your needs, and personal contact details are customisable by letting tags carry extra information in a user-definable way. For example, if someone is tagged "alpha", custom fields such as "completed course?" (yes/no), "decisions made" and "service roles" (multiple choice lists) can be added. Contact lists grabbed from filters on this data can quickly be turned into an email sent to multiple people - great for casual group communication without the hassle of a full blown mass mailing. Common sets of tasks which need to be done together can be added in one go as "tracks" (similar to templates in Apollo).
So why won't we use it? Actually we might. The main issue is cost - at a flat £8 per user per month, it adds up to £40 a month for our small group, and gets much more difficult if we need to scale up. It is a bit businessy, but nice and responsive, and the customisation makes up for it.
Why might you prefer it anyway? If you are a solo user, it's an unbeatable bargain, and with a small group it's also excellent. If your business needs the pipeline function as well as top class contact management with great integration with Mailchimp and various finance and billing systems, you need more customisation than Highrise but you don't need all the bells and whistles of Sales Force, this is the sweet spot in the middle.
It would probably be our choice if it wasn't for...
A user friendly system with a stack of useful features we might find it hard to live without.Better than Highrise? Customisable with "supertags" which work in a similar way to Capsule. They are even more useful with options including recurring dates which link to the built in calendar - ideal for keeping track of birthdays and anniversaries. The Social Media supertag doesn't just hold contact details, it pulls live Facebook, Twitter and LinkedIn updates into a contact's page, and lets you manage all your social media contact making and commenting from Batchbook. Drawing this info together helps build relationship - a user will see it before they make a call or send an email. Another improvement over Highrise is that emails forwarded to the dropbox attach to all relevant records of people in the email's "To" or "cc" fields, and emails between the same groups of people get drawn up as related communications. Screen space is saved by not displaying much summary information from each email, but lots of info tends to pop up over anything the mouse hovers over. This isn't ideal for touch interfaces like an iPhone, but on a pointer-driven system it saves a lot of clicks and screen refreshes. Web forms are another big leap forward, allowing people to sign themselves up as contacts and enter information which can be stored in the basic fields or any supertag's custom fields. It has an iPhone app which stores contacts offline. Plus it integrates really nicely with Mailchimp, Google Contacts (so we can keep live, basic contact lists up to date for other church members) and just about everything else we thought we might need.
So that's why we are using it - at least to trial.At $30 a month for up to 5 users it is slightly more expensive than Highrise, but only half the price of Capsule and with more stuff. More isn't necessarily better - usable and useful are what we need - but we'll see how the team gets on with it.
PS - we also looked at the following, but rejected them because they are too project-centric or sales pipeline-focused, but they still seemed worth evaluating again later if we need separate project tools: BlueCamroo, Clutterpad, Teambox, Viewpath and Pipedrive. And we looked at specialist church management software like The City (a nice bespoke social network, but not much of an external contact manager) and Church Insight (looks good and can drive a website, but they expect 150 church people to have 75 other contacts BETWEEN THEM???! These people are all spending FAR too long in church...)
Note to self: the secret of getting venture capital funding is clearly to pick the right two words to bang together into the product name. As a public service, I've searched and found that StuffTray, MessList, ContactBag and CrapCase are all available as dotcoms. Grab them and seize the future... And if you know anyone who makes a good, usable system for church mission where they expect to know more neighbours than kneelers, let me know...



